Staying or Leaving?

April 28th, 2012

Dear Church Family,

How do you know when it’s time to go? Many of us have read in the papers or heard on the news that First Presbyterian Church, Orlando is leaving our denomination (PCUSA) and joining the Evangelical Presbyterian Church (EPC).  Many also know that a new denomination is being birthed, the Evangelical Covenant Order of Presbyterians (ECO). Trinity Presbyterian Church in Satellite Beach is leaving the PCUSA to join that group. Both churches are leaving because the PCUSA is drifting away from its foundational understanding of the authority of Scripture and how Scripture is to be interpreted.
For many the breaking point came less than a year ago, in May of 2011 when the PCUSA decided no longer to require fidelity in marriage or chastity in singleness of our pastors, elders and deacons. (See the letter “Our Loving Response to PCUSA Ordination Standards” and the sermon “How to Survive a Seismic Shift” or attached). A handful of other congregations in Central Florida Presbytery have already stated their intentions to leave the denomination, as have numerous churches around the country.

So what about Woodbury? Are we staying or leaving? What’s happening? In large part that depends on you, the members of Woodbury Presbyterian Church. In order to leave the denomination a vote is required by the congregation, and that has to be preceded by a period of prayerful study and conversation, both within the church family and with the presbytery.

Woodbury has not taken any official steps to start leaving the denomination. However, the Session has appointed a Denominational Relations Committee to look into the matter. If we were to leave, where would we go? The committee consists of Anita Richard, Suellen Golden, Bob Buford and Dick Ferguson. Currently individuals on the committee are exploring the pros and cons of joining the EPC (Anita), joining ECO (Suellen) staying in the PCUSA (Bob) and joining the Fellowship of Presbyterians (Dick). The FoP is an organization affiliated with ECO. An individual or a church might join the FoP and remain in the PCUSA.

We will keep you posted on their reports, and you can feel free to ask the pastors or any of the elders for an update any time. We’re a family. There are no secrets. (In fact, all this was shared at the special prayer meeting which everyone was encouraged to attend on Palm Sunday.) Presbytery also knows that this committee has been formed, and the Stated Clerk will get a copy of this email. We are children of the light and refuse to do anything in darkness.

Perhaps some people think we are moving too slowly. There are people who said we should have left last May! Others may think we shouldn’t be looking at this issue at all. I agree it is painful, and wish it would just go away. Unfortunately that won’t happen. A decision has to be made. Here are some of the factors to be considered. These have a lot to do with the timing.

First and perhaps most important, the Session has continually heard the Lord tell us, “You’ll know what to do when it’s time.” We are continuing to listen. (The job of the Denominational Relations Committee is to help us to know how to go in the direction the Lord leads us. What does it take to join ECO or EPC? What does it mean to stay?) Our priority is to follow Jesus and to be ready to go wherever He leads whenever He leads.

Second, the General Assembly will meet from June 30 to July 7 in Pittsburgh. Central Florida Presbytery has sent an overture to the General Assembly (similar to an overture Woodbury sent to presbytery) that we reinstate the old ordination standards. It is possible that through this Assembly the Spirit will lead the denomination to repentance and restoration. In any event, we have asked the question of the General Assembly, “Will you return to biblical standards?” They will answer in early July. It seems to be bad form to ask a question then walk out of the room before it is answered. I doubt that our Session will make any decision before July.

At the other extreme, there are several other overtures asking the General Assembly to define marriage as a covenant between two persons (not necessarily between one man and one woman). In fact, those overtures ask the Assembly to make that decision by what is called “Authoritative Interpretation.” Decisions made by AI do not have to be approved or ratified by the presbyteries. They are church law as soon as the Assembly passes them. They are rare, and very honestly this would be an abuse of Authoritative Interpretation. But it is possible that the assembly will pass such an AI. If it does, I am certain that will make it increasingly difficult for our Session to want to maintain our affiliation with the PCUSA. (I know it will make it more difficult for me.)

So please be praying for the General Assembly. We may have a much clearer picture of how things are going in the PCUSA by July 7. (Of course, it is also possible that the GA will do nothing
this year. That has happened on occasion.)

It is also important that we understand that according to the rules (polity) of the PCUSA, churches hold their property in trust for the presbytery and, ultimately, for the denomination. In our case, Central Florida Presbytery purchased 5 of the 8 acres on which our building is built and gave it to us. But according to the polity, the presbytery has claims to the property and buildings. That means that when a church leaves the denomination, the presbytery might keep the land and facilities. There are cases where that has happened. Sometimes such issues are settled in court. Other times there is a more or less gracious negotiation between the church and the presbytery. In fact, Central Florida Presbytery has a policy for gracious dismissal. (http://cfpresbytery.org/documents/Process%20for%20Pastoral%20Responsibility%20final03032012.pdf ) That process will determine the terms under which a departing church might keep its property.

So what happens if our Session discerns that the Lord is telling us it is time to go? First there will be a series of meetings to explain and explore the situation with the congregation. Central Florida Presbytery will be involved with us in this process. There will have to be much prayer. Then we will have a congregational meeting in which active members will vote on Session’s proposal that we join ECO, EPC or whatever option Session may present. That vote will be reported to presbytery, who will vote on the terms of our dismissal.

There are more complexities, but this letter is already long. Nevertheless, I hope it gives you a pretty good overview. And again, your elders and I will be glad to answer any questions. We will also try to set up a question and answer section on the church website.

And what do we do in the meanwhile?

First, pray and pray hard! Ask God to intervene. Ask God to give wisdom to the General Assembly, to the Presbytery, to our Session. Pray individually. Pray in groups. Pray as a church family. Our prayer vigil on May 7 is extremely important, and I hope every active and concerned member of Woodbury will sign up and participate in that prayer vigil.

Second, continue to love one another like Jesus loves you. Grow in love. Several things are uncertain right now, and in times of uncertainty people tend to get irritable, antsy and self-focused. More important than any decision we will ever make regarding denominational affiliation is the decision to be a people who intentionally invite and allow the love of Jesus to flow through us.

Third, be patient. That’s part of the fruit of the Spirit! In our flesh, it would be easy to get restless during this time of waiting. But remember that until the Lord is leading us in a particular direction, waiting is following. Otherwise, we are wandering off on our own, like wayward sheep. Our commitment to follow Jesus, as a united band of His disciples, is a higher priority than the logo on our letterhead.

Many times and in as many ways over the last several months, your Session has heard the Lord saying to us things like, “I will hold you through the storm.” We have shared that message in worship. The message implies, of course, that a storm is coming. In some ways the storm has already started. But we can trust the Lord’s promise that He will hold us. Our commitment is to follow Jesus. Our calling is to love one another through this. I firmly believe that the best is yet to come. Wonderful days of rich, loving fellowship and powerful, effective ministry await us on the other side of the storm. We will come through this stronger. We will come through this deeper.  We will come through this closer to one another and closer to Jesus. Jesus will hold us through the storm. Whether we stay or leave, we will come through this better as long as we follow Jesus.

In Christ’s Love,
Rod<><

Woodbury Book Review corner

January 4th, 2011

Have you recently read a book on a spiritual topic that you would commend to others for their enjoyment and enlightenment?

This blog is your corner to share about the book you read.

Here’s our covenant:

  • Posters should be members or friends of Woodbury Presbyterian Church
  • Provide your name, the book title and author, and a brief statement on the message of the book.  Please include how reading this book has impacted you.
  • Book reviews and comments are reviewed, and at the sole discretion of the moderator may not be published if the book or the review is considered inappropriate or in poor taste.

When you want to post a book review, add a comment to this post.  When it is reviewed and accepted, it will be made its own post in this blog and comments can be made on it.

When you wish to comment on a reviewed book, just add the comment to that specific post.  When reviewed and approved by the moderator, your comment will be made public.

Quiet Revival

December 29th, 2010

2010 has been an amazing year for Woodbury Presbyterian Church! God has done some wonderful things among us this year. The Lord added some great new staff members to our ministry team. (Stacy Watkins as Student Minister, Dr. Maureen Haner as Choir Director, Rev. Frank Kinney as Parish Associate,  Karen Coffey as Secretary/Office Manager, Rev. David Nixon as Affiliate Pastor) For the first time, our Vacation Bible School curriculum was not only carried out but planned and written by members of Woodbury, and based on Tiffany Aston Drenth’s song, “Calypso Creed.” The food pantry people are sure they’ve seen “loaves and fishes” miracles as they shared meals with thousands of people in need. The choir cantata in December was not just good, it was worshipful. Spirit-filled. Many people talked about how they experienced God’s presence and love through the music.

In fact, lately we’ve heard a lot more people talking about what the Holy Spirit is doing in their lives. We’re loving each other more. Worship is more powerful. People are being prayed for and healed. The elders are more and more committed to finding what God wants for His church and doing it. I call it a “Quiet Revival.” (It’s what I’ve been preaching about for years, but it’s sweeter than I imagined.)

I believe 2011 is going to be even better – starting with the sermon series on “New Life: Messages on the Power of the Holy Spirit,” followed by the Dunamis Course. But before we get into next year, let’s thank God for what He has done and is doing this year.

Please join me by sharing on this blog the things you’ve seen God do and ways you’ve experienced the Holy Spirit moving among us this year. Then let’s give Him thanks and praise for it all. You can elaborate on things I’ve mentioned above or bring up some of the many topics I didn’t touch. And know that I thank God for you, and the joy of serving Jesus with you.

Prayer – Jesus abiding with us

July 18th, 2010

Classmates, this was a great session today.  Thank you each for your contribution to the discussion.  I believe God was at work revealing himself to each of us.

So we talked in class about Jesus being in his Father and his Father in him (vs 10-11).  And in verse 23, “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our abode with him.”

What does it mean to you to realize that Jesus wants to make his abode with us, and work though us?  What does that mean when you go to spend time with Jesus?  What does that mean to your prayer life?

Prayer and Listening to God

July 13th, 2010

Hi classmates,

When we started last Sunday, I asked for questions that you might have concerning prayer.  I figured that though we each pray, we each also would like to “do better at prayer”.  We got some very good questions, and you can read the list of them at our class notes.  Of these, I thought that we probably could get some really fun discussion from the question, “How to listen to God better when praying?”

You know the old saying that, “Practice makes perfect”, especially when that practice comes with feedback.  We talked about ways that we might know whether we heard from God (agrees with scripture, peace in my heart, witness from others), but actually a very solid affirmation is when we do obey what we believe God showed us, and real-time events happen in a way that affirm the leading we received.

So what am I saying?  As an example, I offer my experience with this class.  I was appointed to teach when I asked Mike Fleetwood to send me class notes for this time when I expected to be out on vacation.  He turned the situation around and said he was going to be gone for a month, and would I teach?  After some stammering, I agreed, but had no idea what to teach about.  My first thought was to talk about something related to God and the US, as I thought the first class would be on 7/4.  Pastor Rod corrected that thinking, so back to the drawing board.  I had already asked God, but hadn’t heard anything yet.  I then considered a short course on evangelism, or something similar, but that didn’t feel right.  Still looking for something that was relevant to what God was doing with us present-tense.  While reading in a book I mentioned in class, “Growing the Church in the Power of the Holy Spirit“, I was struck by how important it is that we are able to communicate effectively with God – that prayer is so essential to what the authors called “dancing with God”.

Prayer – listening – interceding.  Eureka.  I was able to draft a lot of it, but the finishing touch was realizing that I needed to put myself in the position of facilitator and allow the Holy Spirit to lead the class and teach us.

Do you see the process?  God put me into a place where I really needed him to lead.  I invited him to lead.  I then looked at possibilities, all the while seeking to sense with my heart if one idea or the other felt right.  I talked to others, read, looking for confirmation.  I stepped out of my comfort zone – and you know what – if God hadn’t shown up at the class on Sunday you would have seen one embarrassed hombre.  But even that would have been a learning experience.  As it is, I learned from our class, in detail as well as in affirmation that God was leading me.  And that is such a cool realization.

What about you?  What experiences have you had that perhaps you just figured were coincidence, but maybe just might have been God at work.  Most times that I realize God was at work end up in hindsight, but the more I’m willing to risk and obey, the more I am seeing in real-time rather than hindsight that God is right there with me.

… Through the Power of the Holy Spirit

June 21st, 2010

Right now the Session of Woodbury Presbyterian Church, the Transformation Team and members of the staff are reading “Growing the Church through the Power of The Holy Spirit.”  The Session will spend some time discussing it at our next meeting, and asking God how He wants to use that book to influence the future of this congregation (and of our personal lives!). However, in that brief meeting we won’t get into an in depth discussion of the book, nor will we be able to share reflections with the TT and staff members who, no doubt, have much to contribute. Besides, that’s nearly a month away!

So let’s do this: Select a sentence or phrase or idea from the book that you think is worthy of discussion or prompts further thought, or just deserves to be highlighted and share that thought on this blog, along with your reflections about it. You can enter as many comments as you like, and respond to the ideas,  insights, questions etc. of your brothers and sisters. I hope everyone will enter at least one comment from the book, and will check often to see what others are saying. I know several of our elders are really excited about this book, or more precisely, what the Holy Spirit is doing among us.  I can’t wait to hear what you have to share!

You don’t have to finish reading the book before you participate. What has struck you so far?

Service Times?

April 13th, 2010

Dear Elders,
As we approach Summer, it’s time to begin praying and thinking about whether the Lord wants us to have one service or two during the summer. As we pray, we can share our reflections, questions and insights here before the Session meeting. What do you think the Master is saying? One service or two. (Well, 2 or 3 because we’ll continue the Prayer Service!)

What We Heard

January 26th, 2010

     After our hour of listening to God on the elders’ retreat last weekend, we shared what we felt we heard from the Lord. Someone noticed me taking notes and asked me to post them on the blog. So here’s what I wrote down as we talked – not knowing I was going to share it this way. So if you have additions or corrections or other comments, clarifications, expansions or explanations please share them. We can continue that wonderful conversation this way.

-          New building: Fund it and participate in building it. Cf. the workers in Solomon’s temple

-          The future holds challenges: Perseverance while they’re doing the driveway etc. (i.e. putting in the water pipes, tearing up our driveway, widening the road …)

-          It is well with my soul.

-          How do we transfer [our experience] to other people?

-          Build the church (i.e. people)

-          Let my light shine the right way.

-          Wait.

-          Song, “Something Within Me”

-          All feel a need to draw closer. Relationships

-          Something like this elders’ retreat more than once a year.

-          Return to your first love

-          Put God first.

-          See how much more I will pour … as we seek him.

-          Song “Draw Me Close,” but Jesus is singing it to us.

-          Opportunity to bless

-          God is an ever-flowing river. We’re leaves. We don’t want to get caught in an eddy!

-          Luke 1:17 And he will go on before the Lord, in the spirit and power of Elijah, to turn the hearts of the fathers to their children and the disobedient to the wisdom of the righteous—to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.”

-          A river grows as it goes to the sea.

-          We all carry the cross

-          The Holy Spirit is the conductor, we’re the symphony.

-          Pool cleaner. (It does its mission while being guided by an unseen force.)

-          Be still and wait and know that I am in control

-          Vision of new faces

-          Rosebush with new growth

2009

January 20th, 2010

At our Session retreat this weekend we will remember and celebrate the things God has done among us in the past year. We do this to give thanks to God, to remember how beautifully He provides and to “check our course” as we plan the future. Where has God been leading us? What does that tell us about where we’re going? Please add to this list the things for which you thank God in our church family in 2009. I’ll get us started with a very short list which does not reflect order of importance. It’s just to prime the pump.

God, we thank you for the things you have accomplished among us at Woodbury Presbyterian Church in the year 2009. As we begin a new year, we reflect on your goodness in the past. We build this list together.Direct us into your future, for our only desire is to follow you. Some things you have done among us are:

Ruby became a Commissioned Lay Pastor

Suellen was elected as a Commissioner from Presbytery to General Assembly

We expanded the Vision 2020 summary statement, adding exciting details.

In the midst of a terrible recession, the Food Pantry fed 13,740 families.

Toy give away at Christmas.

Turkey dinners at Thanksgiving (More than 200 Turkeys w/ sides. I’ll get the right number from Robert)

In a year when many churches had to cut back on staff and ministries, our “reserve” funds enabled us to stay the course.

“Dream Giver” small groups.

Confirmation of 10 students.

Had a capital funds campaign that raised $307,000 in pledges for our new building.

Designed new fellowship hall and “schoolhouse.”

Re-designed schoolhouse to fit  budget.

Mexico mission trip

Continued to provide space for Iglesia Presbiteriana Maranata to grow

Vacation Bible School (More missional this year)

Showed Jesus Film at Fall Festival (a few people prayed to receive Jesus as a result)

Outdoor Living Nativity on Christmas Eve.

Christmas Choir Concert (W/ string quartet and original music)

Valentine’s Dinner and a Movie “Fireproof”

Fall Festival was wonderful

Jennifer and Gladyss started contacting guests with “welcome calls”

Started deacons ministry

Nuanced

August 28th, 2009

I wish it were possible in our culture to have a nuanced conversation. I suppose it is possible, but far too rare. Lines of bifurcation are drawn and people are expected to be on one side or the other. If one supports the current health care reform proposal, she is accused of being a socialist. In fact, if one advocates any health care reform, she might face the same charge. But if another voices reservations about that particular plan, he’s accused of not caring about the poor. He may think some kind of reform is badly needed, but disagrees with this strategy. Never mind. He must be heartless.

Consider, for another example, the question of abortion. At one extreme we have a situation in which the best medical predictions are that if a baby is carried to term it will result in the death of both mother and child. At the other extreme is the situation of a young woman who wants to terminate a pregnancy because if she doesn’t she won’t look good in her junior prom dress.

If you are “pro life” you’re presumed (obligated?) to oppose the first termination. If you’re “pro choice” you’re expected to endorse the second. See what I mean? Must one answer address every question?

I understand:  some might truly oppose either abortion and others might support both. But can we at least recognize that there is a vast difference between the extremes?

Further, I understand that either situation is likely more complex than what I’ve described. How sure can we be of the doctors’ prognosis in the first case? What ramifications beyond the prom are involved in the second?  But those complexities reinforce my point.

Why must we draw the line so dark and bold? Why must we presume that people fit stereotypes when we know that we ourselves do not? I’m more nuanced. You’re more nuanced. What would happen if we had civil, respectful conversations in which we honestly expressed ourselves, listened to one another and were open to learning something new? Too radical?